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I was shooting my .308 NDM-86 over the weekend along
with my Enfield #4 and had the usual crowd gather around. Where I shoot
there are rifle racks behind the shooting tables and that's where I keep
the SVD while I shoot whatever else I bring. I started to get the usual
questions of "What IS that?" and "How much did you pay?" (Which I really
don't like to answer, so if you are one of those people who absolutely
HAS to know what someone paid for a rifle or whatever, please don't expect
that everyone is comfortable answering) So this guy who brought his M-1A's
turns to his buddy and says "Those things are over-rated. When I shoot
highpower 99% of all the rifles are M-1A's." I ignored the ignorant guy
but got a lot of pleasure in showing his buddy, a little later, my 5 shot
group with the SVD. I had managed a 4 shot clover pattern with the 5th
opening the group up to just under an inch. I was using 168gr Federal
match at 100 yards. His know-it-all buddy came over and grunted as he
saw my target and then walked away.
How does it shoot at 500m? 800m? sounds real nice at 100!
Bob, At 800 meters you're dead.....nuff said. I get a 6" group @ 600yds
with 175 BTHP Moly Black Hills in the Orange.
I took the SVD out again today and as soon as I was setting my stuff down
on the shooting bench this guy 2 tables down looks at my stuff and asks
me to move farther down the lanes. "I don't want to get hit by your ejecting
shells", he says. This is one of those guys who brings a custom bolt action
rifle with fluted barrel, you know the works, and lines all his handloads
up nicely and is shooting about 1 round every 5 minutes through a chronograph.
Anyway I'm starting to get this snobbish vibe from the guy and it's annoying
me. So I move 5 tables away from the guy, no one in between us, and load
up my .308 SVD. First shot I take, the shell flies in this long arc and
hits the snobby guy square on the cheek! These SVD's are not only accurate
shooting forward, but also sideways!
Report on the 7.62x54R NDM-86 (from a post on ak47.net)
"Mine is 54r and shoots about 2-4 inch groups at 100 yards with wolf
148gr FMJ. Czech silvertip 148gr is very similar, maybe a little tighter
depending on the particular box I'm shooting out of.
WWB 200gr gave about 4 inch group at 100 yards and is a little heavier
on the shoulder.
At 300 yards the wolf
148gr opened up for me a lot, I was consistently hitting a 12" x
18" Shoot N C target but wasn't getting particularly tight patterns.
Frankly I have a lot to learn about shooting this rifle, all my 200-300
yard experience has been with M16A2 and irons, so with the NDM I find
that I have learn how to adjust for the recoil and use the scope properly.
There is no doubt
in my mind this rifle can do better, the limitation here is clearly me
but as time goes on the groups get better and better. A friend is cooking
up some hand loads for it, next step is to slug the bore to get a good
sizing. From there we'll probably be able to come up with a consistent
round that will do well and then its practice practice practice. "
"I either got a 1.7" or 2.3" (cannot remember which) grouping
using Wolf 147gr ammo. And that was with one flier. I'm sure the rifle
could have done in others hands."
"The SVD is misnamed as a sniper rifle, it is a squad support rifle.
The 7.62x54R is not super accurate, probably 2.5 moa on average. I know
that the .308 versions have a much better reputation for accuracy.
Here is my first and
only outing so far. The target was 100m and I was firing Wolf.
Best 3 shot group:
On my end, I was shooting
this thing for the first time. I never had any experience with anything
even similar. The Chinese/Russian scope is not really designed for precision
IMO, no traditional crosshairs. I only had 100m to shake this bitch out,
I'd like to really get settled in at around 300m sometime."
Had my .308 NDM-86 out to the range yesterday. I have shot target rifles
in all sorts of disciplines for almost 20 years, and I would have bet
you green money that a Drag would at best consistently hold about 1.5
moa with match ammo. I bought it because it looked like the devil's own
rifle. First, let me say I solved a bad extraction problem caused by shooting
CAVIM surplus ammo. I only fired my handloads and everything worked perfectly.
Second, I have fired only about 50 rounds total in 2 range trips and after
initial zeroing I fired four 3 shot groups, 2 @ 100 and 2 @ 200 yards.
And yesterday I collected 9 shots on the 200 yard target fired over a
2 hour period (changing light and wind). The two 3 shot groups @ 200 were
1.5" and 1.75". The two 100 yard groups were .75" and .4375" (see picture).
The 9 shots on the 200 yard target were a total of 2.5" All this with
a 4 power inverted V reticle not very suitable for benchrest shooting.
To say I am impressed is an understatement. This rifle shoots incredibly
for such a lightweight piece. I also see no need to shoot 5 or 10 shot
groups as it is not a match rifle, it is a sniper rifle. I would post
this on the SVD Discussion Board but no one would believe it unless they
owned one. If only this rifle didn't have a cheesy paint job, it would
Fortier had some additional comments:
In my own testing of a Russian SVD I have found they will hover around
1 MOA for 5 shot groups. Sometimes better sometimes not. I have shot sub-MOA
groups at 300 yards, but it is not easy. Switching to a Chinese .308 SVD
with Winchester 168 grain Match, shooting off a pack prone, I shot consistent
3.25" inch groups at 400 yards. So they will shoot. The triggers
are 2-3 pounds, and Marc Krebs did a trigger job on one of my rifles giving
it a superb letoff. The trigger on these are well designed. Keep in mind
that the 7N1 and its replacement the 7N14 (which I have not had a chance
to test, it's a 152 grain lead core projectile that is supposed to offer
the best accuracy) are NOT match loads but sniper loads. With a true Match
load in a 155 grain weight or so it would be quite interesting to see
what it is capable of. With generic ball, groups DO open up to a couple
inches at 100 yards........but so does an Army M24. I agree that the rifle
is effective out to 700-800 meters or so depending on operator skill.
One shot one kill.
The unique stock is VERY different from what U.S. shooters are used to.
It is a competition style thumbhole affair with a full pistolgrip. Remember
E. Dragunov designed mostly sporting and competition guns, not military
weapons. His rifles have taken Olympic Gold Medals. Due to the Theater
of Operations of the Russian Army, the stock has a short 12.5" length
of pull, for winter use. I live in Maine so believe me, the short stock
is a must when wearing a thick jacket in extreme cold. It feels strange
at first, but if you train with it - and only it - for some time you begin
Russian cartridge collector friend and co-worker recently blew up a Chinese
Dragunov while shooting groups to compare different types of factory ammo.
The rifle had been fired previously for several hundred rounds using various
LPS ball rounds. Then he tried some Soviet match ammo, from arsenal 188,
dated '80. The very first round blew the gun!
The case let go at the ejector cut in the bolt and the primer disappeared.
The bolt head is cracked at the lip nearest the ejector cut, the top cover
was flattened out by gas, and the edge of the bolt carrier was galled.
Upon returning home, my friend went thru his extensive cartridge collection
and had a blown, fired case that was of the same arsenal, dated '62, documented
as having also been fired in a Dragonov. The case look identical, except
that the '62 case was a battlefield pickup from the middle east.
This ammo has been previously successfully fired in an SVT 40 with flattened
primers, but no other ill effects. Sorry, we don't have a digital camera
available to post pics. This is an FYI post."
notice that this was the first round fired. Did it fire upon chambering,
or did he pull the trigger? Chinese Dragunovs are known to be an out-of-battery
slamfire risk, but usually only the ones in .308. The problem is that
they have a large free floating firing pin, which spells bad news for
anything other than milspec primers. You were asking for trouble firing
commercial .308 in a Chinese Dragunov. Many were recalled and a spring
installed to remedy this problem. Check CDNN's web site and see that they
still are taking them back (only the ones sold by them). I have never
heard of an issue in 54R. I assumed that this was because all the ammo
readily available had very hard primers, and the problem never surfaced
as a result.
I have a TIGR Dragunov (true Soviet, but the commercial version), and
it has a sprung pin. I guess they noted a risk, and added the spring.
Something the Chinese didn't do..."
the shooter was not hurt. No gas got to him, all went out to the right.
The round went off when the trigger was pulled. We sectioned a case and
it appears the webbing is thinner than on GI cases. The bullet is noticably
longer with a blunter ogive. We need to see if the bullet is contacting
the rifling when chambered. I will post when we find out. It appears we
can weld up and remachine the bolt, as the locking lugs were not damaged."
followup: the rifle was brought into work today, along with some unfired
ammo. No additional damage was done to the receiver or barrel, tho the
rear sight was damaged from sudden contact with the bottom of the scope.
3-4CAV on ar15.com
When inserting cartridges into the chamber by hand, standard LPS ball
freely entered and extracted. The Match ammo, on the other hand, had the
bullet forcibly contact the rifling. It had to be pushed with about 25
lbs of thumb pressure for it to seat into the chamber. When pried out,
there were rifling marks about .050" long on the bullet. This bullet has
probably the longest bearing surface of any .30 cal projectile I have
ever seen. This may have been a contributing factor. This same ammo has
been safely used in several Mosin Nagant bolt rifles and a few Tokarev
semi rifles as well. The match ammo does not contact the rifling in the
several M/N rifles we checked it in."
learned the hard way, when I was VII Corps foreign weapons instructor,
that the Soviet SVD was lethal in two directions: First, for those unfortunate
enough to be downrange when someone who knows how to use it is shooting
at them, and second, for those who are unfortunate enough to be standing
on the right side of it when it ejects an empty cartridge. I was shooting
from a bench, and the guy next to me had blurred vision for a couple weeks
when an ejected cartridge hit him right in the temple. I felt bad, because
it was the first time I'd fired the weapon and he was a pilot, and the
blurred vision grounded him and required a medical board. "
Posted - 02/07/2006 : 11:45:53
"I dream of a KBI import SVD.... My buddy, who spent $5000 for a
fully equiped Stoner
SR 25, love/hates my 308 Drag. It outshot his rifle first time out
at both our hands."
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